Wikileaks Readies Biggest-Ever Leak of Military Intelligence [Revelations]
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Secret-sharing website Wikileaks is preparing the “‘biggest leak of military intelligence’ that has ever occurred”—three times larger than the cache leaked by the site in July. What’s in it? More terrible revelations about “abusive treatment of detainees,” apparently. More »
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@techgirlgoss: That is why Wikileaks should have no ‘spokesperson’. The administrators of the site should be anonymous, and the information on the site left to speak for itself.
As soon as Wikileaks add opinion and editorial to the information, they set themselves up as a target to opponents. Fox, the government, et al can write off Wikileaks as having an ‘agenda’ and being no different to any other government organization.
bh
@Llncolnsbeard33: Conspiracy theorists do give the government far too much credit.
Clinton couldn’t even get a head job without the world finding out – and we are meant to believe that the President organized a terrorist attack against his own country for the purpose of securing oil?
bh
@intellax: Wikileaks shouldn’t be editorializing. It should simply be the site where documents are released for the consumption of all. As soon as Wikileaks attach opinion to document releases, they can be accused of bias by the right or the government.
If they remain a neutral venue for information leaks, you remove the ability for opponents to discredit the organization.
For this reason, I believe that naming the previous video leak ‘Collateral Murder’ was a mistake, because it allowed opponents (FOX News et al) to be skeptical of the sites ‘motives’.
bh
Wikileaks is a good idea. But what is it with Assange and some women in his life?
First, 2 Swedish women charge him with molestation and rape.
Now, the leftist Iceland MP who co-edited the ‘Collateral Murder’ tape, Birgitta, has accused Assange of lying (gasp) to FoxNews (Why would anyone lie to Fox)
Birgitta has told Iceland media that while Assange is denying any recent contact with her, she spoke to him on the day the rape charges in Sweden were made public. She wants him to step aside till a court decides the case in Sweden. This is a good time to test if Wikileaks has people trained to run the organization, or if Assange has a North Korea kind of control.
[www.icelandreview.com]
techgirlgoss
Hey. You with the commas. Stop it.
Bill Zilla
Oh, hey, good job releasing this crap half a decade-plus too late, you self-aggrandized jackasses. Up next: The Soviet invasion.
malvones
@ToddCW: The disk will be labeled “Lady Gaga”.
Magister
So, going for quantity rather than quality, I guess?
I think these guys need to go back through history and try to figure out exactly what it was about leaks that turned out to be historic that made them so. Because it probably wasn’t the number of pages.
badasscat
@Llncolnsbeard33: I have no belief in the 9/11 conspiracy theories, but that reasoning doesn’t really discredit them, because there’s always the “unless this is all part of their plan!” response. A slightly less facile version would be that none of the evidence leaked is really “damning”, just more of the stuff we already knew was happening. It’s plausible that our shadow reptilian overlords would allow stuff like this to leak out to maintain the facade of a free society while all their real secrets are ensured to be under wraps.
The only thing that really makes the 9/11 conspiracies improbable is, as you say, the scope. Aside from that, there are already plenty of documented cases of our government carrying out false flag operations targeting both foreign civilians and its own. The wiki article on Operation Gladio is a fun read, for starters.
achilleselbow
@ToddCW: Read by Jay Mohr as Christopher Walken doing an impression of Lou Reed.
Graviton1066
@harlemite: But where’d the lighter fluid come from?
Graviton1066
@blakek: Oh now you tell me. :/
Sharkbreath
@chersolly: Stalin had a pretty good idea.
Graviton1066
My guess is there won’t be much in these documents either. If they had a major event to report, they wouldn’t need thousands of pages to do so.
BorderRat
@Sharkbreath: everyone shouldn’t read hundreds of thousands of pages of government nonsense, but it should be public record. Transparency is good.
blakek
that silence you hear is the sound of a woman getting “raped” somewhere in Europe
Paolo.Lex
@chersolly: They knew it was something and something big.
To compare that to something like 9/11 is not even apples/oranges. It’s apples/carburetors.
ShaunTKennedy
Looks like the Newsweek reporter’s name is Hosenball, not “Hosenthal.”
mcaldencop
@Shai: 100,000+ personnel were attached to the Manhattan Project and had NO idea about what they were working on.
chersolly
This might have been asked before, and I apologize if it has, but is there anything “wiki” about “Wikileaks”? Doesn’t “wiki” mean various people add information to a particular article, information whose accuracy may range quite wildly?
Anthony_Underscore
@Llncolnsbeard33: No kidding. A pervasive government conspiracy would require massive coordination and air tight systems.
Nobody who has been to the DMV could believe such a thing is possible.
Shai
@Llncolnsbeard33: Unless he’s PART of the conspiracy, too!
Anthony_Underscore
@intellax: I guess you and I just go to different kinds of parties. I guess if it’s the topic of the night, that’s different, but any parties I attend, if I was discussing dead soldiers and the murder of AP photographers and civilians, I’d be that weird buzzkill who talks about people dying when we’re trying to have a good time.
ShaunTKennedy
I have to say the fact that Wiki leaks does this is absolute proof that there is no and never has been a huge government conspiracy.
If the government was behind 9/11 it would have required them to be insanely powerful. In which case they could have easily killed this guy and destroyed wikileaks.
Llncolnsbeard33
@lodown is waiting for MizJenkins: I wouldn’t mind some Smoking Gun-style mugshots of soldiers committing atrocities in our name, or in our defense…
On reflection, that would, of course, mean that we would have arrested and prosecuted these guys, which obviously won’t happen. (see abu ghraib)…
intellax
@ShaunTKennedy: Well, ripping on the government has sort of become a national past time… so I would be the weird one if I DIDN’T partake, no?
intellax
@thesmilies: Yes, that Would be great!
intellax
I saw the smaller (front page) version of the photo and thought, “Ellen Barkin, that hair colour is not for you.”
mymra
I saw the smaller (front page) version of the photo and thought, “Ellen Barkin, that hair colour is not for you.”
mymra
I’m sure that once this information becomes available to Iraqi citizens that show “Put Him in Camp Bucca” will be getting some much more intense reaction shots. Let the hilarity begin, guys!
AllTheMuppetsAreDead
They need Spark Notes to help for the next release.
thesmilies
@Sharkbreath: Just wait for the movie. I hear Ben Stiller does an okay job as document 2361.
IQslump
God, these fucks haven’t learned anything from the collective yawns their last leak produced?!
Instead, they’re gonna double down?
This is getting to be a lot like a Gob Bluth magic show. All that’s missing is “The Final Countdown”.
harlemite
@intellax: Then they’d basically be a bigger version of The Smoking Gun. WikiLeaks’ whole schtick is that they don’t edit (much) of what they get.
lodown is waiting for MizJenkins
@intellax: “Important” means different things to different people. To really hit home with Valleywag with an example, I couldn’t care less about Facebook’s privacy issues because I don’t have or want one, so I couldn’t care less about the tomes that have been published about Mark Zuckerberg. However, judging by how they keep getting posted, SOMEONE cares and I bet deeply.
Also, you discuss this sort of thing at parties?
ShaunTKennedy
Pssssst…we invade Normandy on June 6….
Mymoustache
@intellax: Maybe there will be a SparkNotes with this leak
thesmilies
Will it be available as an audiobook?
ToddCW
@Arken: Touche… well, I’d still like a highly curated list of important releases, so, you know, I can sound smart at parties…
intellax
Propaganda has always been part of war and whenever we get leaks like this, it might take many self-righteous warmongers a peg or two down. But I can’t see this making any substantial difference. Are we going to see either the Iraq war or the Afghan one halted just because there is evidence of war being ugly. Is somebody, anybody going to take responsibility and quit? I don’t think so.
At best, the next time somebody starts clamoring for war, we can point out these leaks and tone down their rhetoric. That assumes countries are capable of learning from past mistakes.
These leaks are not going to even slightly unfuck a fucked up situation. But they are still necessary, though.
lethedrinker
@intellax: They don’t read them all themselves. They have said as much.
Arken
You know, it would be great if instead of releasing 100,000 documents, that no normal person would read, if they’d just release, say, 100 of the really important ones with some editorial comment about the rest…
intellax
@Sharkbreath: You’re not supposed to read it, silly. You’re supposed to just immediately come to Wikileaks’ defense and commend them on their brave heroism or condemn them as traitorous scum who want to get troops killed. Who reads?
Arken
Wait. Are you telling me that Wikileaks is about to release definitive proof that war is a horribly violent and debasing ordeal? Get outta town.
AnneV6
They should really space out the release dates of their leaks. I haven’t had time to finish reading the last one.
Sharkbreath