Star Trek 2009 Movie Review/Discussion with Decadent7 – Part 3
Website – www.zaranyzerak.com MY ALBUM, “Empire Building” – http (also available on amazon and iTunes!) Twitter – www.twitter.com Audio Blog – zaranyzerak.tumblr.com Friday Night Chatroom – http Check out Decadent7′s YouTube page for more action figures, comics, DVDs and randomness: www.youtube.com Decadent7 and I conclude our epic discussion/review of the 2009 Star Trek movie, this time around ripping into some of the pure STUPIDITY of some people regarding what effect this movie has on existing pre-2009 movie Star Trek continuity. And to lighten things up a bit after all the ranting and raving, we talk about some of our favorite funny parts from the film. But true to form, it isn’t long before we start ranting again. Enjoy! If you would like some more information about the whole “time travel vs alternate universe” thing, here’s some very informative links to help clear up the confusion: memory-alpha.org (breakdown of the alternate reality in the film) popculturezoo.com (analysis of changes from Prime reality) memory-alpha.org (notable instances of parallel universes of different types throughout the various series’ and movies, with a footnote about the new film in which the writers of the film confirm that it is an alternate universe) memory-alpha.org (further explanation of the concept of Quantum Realities, with examples from previous Star Trek stories)
@tgbotg your argument assumes the butterfly effect is dependent on previous outcomes. The whole point is even a minute change is very likely to produce a novel situation because of the astronomical numbers of possiblities along a chain of consequences. Citing past episodes that misunderstand this does’t lend validity to your argument nor support your judgements any further than mere personal opinion. Harking after absolutes in a universe that continually demonstrates emergence is illogical.
@intermender We’ve already established in past episodes and movies that the butterfly effect isn’t so strong, e.g. “Tapestry.” There are opposing theories, and Trek has often sided with the negative (“Year of Hell” being an exception, but I think it was handled better than this). Even if they side with the butterfly effect, the goal of bringing back the original characters is lost. It cheapens beautiful episodes like “This Side of Paradise” and “The Naked Time.”
@tgbotg Disagree, the butterfly effect illustrates how a minor change at an early stage of a complex process can produce a wholly novel outcome: our own evolution is a comparable example or subsequent development of an organism from dna. There was a whole pardigm shift due to Nero’ incursion; and time at the quantum level where decision is made is of the order of 10^-44 seconds. The Spock/Uhura romance IS explained by the realisation of untapped potential with novel circumstance. Next problem.
@tgbotg wouldn’t*
@intermender We Trekkies still think for ourselves. Nimoy likes it, Zaranyzerak likes it, you seem to like it, I do not. I respect your opinions, however. I rated it on two scales: as a movie, and as a Trek movie. As a movie it was pretty good. As a Trek movie, it was horrific. As for the alternate timeline, some things would have changed due to Nero’s incursion, some things would. Nero’s incursion does not explain every change, like Spock & Uhura, but it does explain Kirk’s change in attitude.
@Cyphox Yeah, it was also a sequel to First Contact. Since he obviously liked that movie, he should like Enterprise’s “Regeneration.” He should probably see it before commenting .. I was surprised at how well it was done, actually .. btw, I was not a fan of the new movie. “Acquisition” was awful, though.
@tvcollective001 I didn’t really see him as being jealous after all he is my husband and sean had invited him to come along and do the vlog as well.
@Zaranyzerak thank you i was a little confused
@fadedfromglory He died at the end of Wrath of Khan, then was brought back to life in the next movie Search for Spock. Wrath of Khan was the first in a trilogy of interconnected Star Trek movies. The two movies that follow it explain how Spock came back.
ok so i am not really a star trek fan but could you explain to me something i have wondering about?
ok so i dont watch star trek at all but i just bout the new movie and was a little confused. ok so i thought Spock was killed in wrath of khan ? and dont even know if thats true. so how was he alive when that red giant star wiped out that planet ? i really have no clue i just dont watch enough star trk
maybe the red matter was a dosage thing: 1 drop per planet.;) But science has always been secondary to the story in star trek and rightly so.
@intermender sorry, just repeated a point you already made in the vid!
The people who refuse to acknowledge something as intuitive as a fork in the road have some kind of dogmatic agenda? Even prof brown explained with clear diagrams in back to the future so everyone understands it and can accept it within the context of film as suspension of disbelief, so its not that, I think its deliberate coteric obsfiscation
In any discussion about what is Star Trek, I think its significant that Leonard Nimoy agreed to be in it and even expressed profound praise for the reimagining on occasion? I mean don’t dissenters have to argue that Leonard Nimoy doesn’t know what Star Trek is compared to themselves?
“Look at the new Enterprise, why is the Borg in it?”
Because you’re a dumbass, because no one knows their name at this time, they don’t even introduce themselfes with “We are the Borg” in this Episode.
Definitely. It’s been on my must buy list since we saw the first 5 minutes of the movie in theaters.
Hey Z-Man, are you going to buy the Blu-ray of the new Star Trek movie. I highly recommend that you do. The 3-disc set actually has a hundred days of worthwhile features unlike another big movie, (cough cough DARK KNIGHT). The picture and sound is superb too.
I liked the way they revamped the characters, and the fact that it was an altered timeline doesn’t bother me, but I’m still unclear as to how it’s explained that it’s paralle universe. I mean I watched the mind-meld scene with old Spock on the DVD, and I’ve heard him “Tell” young Kirk he’s from the future, but I don’t think he says he’s from a different universe. Unless of course it’s hard to understand him, because of the echo in his voice during the meld.
Still though, I like the changes.
@Zaranyzerak
You tell that sumbitch Z-Man!!!
shes cute if i was 18 i would be happy
Did you like the Voyager series?
No dude, he’s part of the review because he’s welcome to do so.
Is that guy in the background such a jealous cling-on that he needs to spy in on his girlfriends chat with this guy. Feels threatened by a middle age guy who doesnt even live within distance? I would have told him to piss off.
Damn that chick is hot..
why don’t you try again once you actually post some of your own content. grow up.